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Re: Why does symbian bank on commercial compilers for the emulat

NetMackan — Thu, 08 May 2008 09:18:05 +0200

Ok, sorry I finally found a place where it says that it is approved for commercial development: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/dbb8841d-832c-43a6-be13-f78119a2b4cb.html .

The Wikipedia page and other sources are clearly wrong at this point.

I'm not sure if it is free, don't even think the winsw compiler is open sourced I have to look more at that but anyway it is available at no cost so that might be enough for now.

Re: Why does symbian bank on commercial compilers for

Symbian_Neil — Wed, 07 May 2008 18:06:31 +0200

Well Carbide.c++ Express IS free. Developer, professional and OEM version cost. The SDK's are free (Referring to Symbian environment). The winscw and gcce compilers are free...Enough to start 'developing' I guess. Well, distributing it might involve costs in signing etc if you are using 3rd edition. But if you are using API's which can do with self-signed certificate, then if you can do with that..then have a party

Re: Why does symbian bank on commercial compilers for the emulat

NetMackan — Wed, 07 May 2008 17:10:34 +0200

Regarding the compilers, you can have a free compiler for the emulator as well. Take a look at Carbide.c++ Express edition and you'll have a 100% free and working development environment.

What do you mean by "100% free"?

The need for a license to develop commercial application is far from "free" in my opinion.

Perhaps I missed something.

Re: CDMA device using S60

alh — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:44:54 +0200

rbrunner:
Well, Nokia have plenty of CDMA S40 phones, just no S60 ones...
But yeah... I smell political reasons.

Re: CDMA device using S60

rbrunner — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:54:39 +0200

Aren't Nokia and Qualcomm (holder of most CDMA patents) basically at war with each other? Little wonder then that there are no Symbian CDMA devices on the market.

Re: CDMA device using S60

N_A — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:24:21 +0200

There are no Symbian based CDMA devices announced or on the market by any manufacturer (S60, UIQ or otherwise).

Re: CDMA device using S60

paarijaat — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:24:22 +0200

Thanks alh.
I was hoping to find a S60 3rd ed or s60 2nd ed FP3 device with CDMA. There are a lot of S60 3rd devices, but they all support WCDMA. My provider only provides CDMA and S60 2nd devices or below don't provide the Multimedia API's i'd like to use.

Are there any S60 3rd devices with CDMA available?

Thanks,
Paarijaat

Re: CDMA device using S60

alh — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:51:18 +0200

This is the spot to get any stats you would want for released S60 phones:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/matrix_all_1.html

for some reason 6638 is not in there though, but I assume it is more or less the same as 6630:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6630

Operating System:
Symbian OS v8.0a

Developer Platform:
S60 2nd Edition, Feature Pack 2

(Edit: Just noticed they don't list any CDMA S60 phones there, only CDMA S40 phones... I wonder why since they obviously do have them...)

Re: CDMA device using S60

paarijaat — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:33:11 +0200

Thanks khalid for the quick reply. Would you also happen to know which edition of S60 (say 2nd or 3rd) does it support. I googled for it, but wasn't successful in retrieving this detail.

Thanks
Paarijaat

Re: CDMA device using S60

er.khalid — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:28:44 +0200

Hi paarijaat,

Check Nokia 6638.

Re: IRC channel for Symbian Developers

JurGele — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:15:50 +0100

Hi!

Does anyone know anything about this #symbian channel in ircnet?

I'm new to symbian, and occasionally it would we very nice to talk about symbian development related business, and of course sometimes a little help for some problems would be appriciated.

The reason really why I'm around here asking this, is that the #symbian channel is invite-only, and I would like to know, do I have any chance to get invites there.

Thanks for your answers in advance!

-Petteri

Re: What is the future of Symbian C++ developer?

profwiggy — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:40:55 +0100

Many valid points, rbrunner.

I think that if the SDK for the iPhone comes out as planned in Feb 2008 and Apple doesn't lock down too tight the licensing, things will get very crazy for a bit. The new Symbianed Signed rules should help a bit, since a developer should in theory be able to write at least free for his own personal device. That should pull in a few people who just want to play at writing for the platform or starting out wanting to write a single app for themselves. Better documentation and a bit more tweaks to the IDE and possibly new API structures (similar to what MS did to .NET) also might help ease developers pain, but not sure that is even in the works.

The next few years promises to be a whrilwind of new mobile devices all jockeying for top billing and chasing each other's advances. That is why I looked at the "cover all my bets" approach. It is not sustainable in the long run, but helps when not sure what road to walk down. I have made a career out of being the techie that fills the gaps by knowing a little about many things, and expert in one. Those days are fast fading with IT leaning heavily on certificates, specialists, and ever increasing technology which is hard to keep pace. I dare say that the day of the basement developer is getting hard to even see in my rear view window. But I think that cell phones still need those lone programmers that do it for the love of it, and not the money for a few more years.

Re: What is the future of Symbian C++ developer?

rbrunner — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:06:18 +0100

I think the future of the mobile OS landscape today is even less clear than it was back in 2003 when this thread started. It seems to me that things become worse, not better, for hopeful programmers like us, with the advent of the iPhone and Android.

On the other hand, what IMO is clearer today than in 2003: No major player will give up anytime soon and take down all programmers that bet on it. Even relatively minor players like UIQ seem to be here to stay, at least for the next few years, and where in IT can you look farther than a few years into the future anyway?

My personal bet at the moment is UIQ. Not because I think that UIQ will be particularly successfull. I guess it won't, it will just meddle through. But as I said I think it is here to stay, and there are millions of UIQ phones sold, and if I manage to sell software to only a small fraction of the owners of these phones, it will be worthwhile for me. Another advantage that I hope for is less competition compared with the already quite crowded S60 scene - everybody seems to be in the S60 scene nowadays...

Personally I am quite sceptic of "cover all my bets" strategies, by trying to stay current in as many areas as possible. The areas get more numerous almost every day, and the older ones keep getting bigger and bigger, that whole thing will quickly grow ower my head unless I fear not and specialize, at least for a while.

Re: What is the future of Symbian C++ developer?

profwiggy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:09:33 +0100

It is now November 2007, and I have just started (last few months) to start programming for Symbian. I was kinda forced into it in a couple of ways. I am an old mainframe systems programmer with old Windows C/C++ experience and slowly getting edged out of the market as less and less mainframes are being used... At least the ones I am expereinced in. So I have had to learn Web and .NET programming... along with many other languages and platforms... Even took a Ruby class last spring... So I am trying to stay as current as possible with as many of the promising platforms as possible, since I am still many years away from retirement. Mobile programming seems to be something that will at least last for a few more years...

The last straw was that I upgraded my cell phone from a Nokia 6620 to a N75 and my Russian Keyboard input program was not ported to the 3rd edition and the company has no plans to migrate it... So I am learning Symbian to write my own, as well as looking at the iPhone, Mobile Windows, and even today seriously eyeing the Google Android SDK that is suppose to come out next week. And even writing some FACEBOOK apps... maybe interfacing with my cell phone...

All-in-all, the Symbian front doesn't seem as bad now as mentioned above in this thread. I ran through the online examples, bought a few books from Symbian press, and well on my way to creating my first simple production app. It reminds me of the way we used to program for Windows 3.1 in C++ years ago, so I have a little basis for example.

My question is... I started programming for the S60 3rd edition since that is what my current phone is (a Nokia N75) but that is Symbian v9.1 and there is a v9.2 (and v9.3?) and then the UIQ, and there was just an announcement for touch support too? I think iPhone has changed the customer expectation of a UI, and we will see cell phones evolving faster than before.... What is everybody's feel for what is a good Symbian platform to get expert on? Right now I am sticking with the s60 3rd (v9.1), but expect to need to constantly look forward. Agreed? And what about UIQ? I don't mind chasing a moving target (part of the job in tech-land) but want to be smart about it.

Market In India is Good for Symbian and windows

kiranhr — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:21:25 +0100

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