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Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:05:30 +0100

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UIQ 2.0 and UIQ 2.1
But it does not matter: if I need to install a different SDK to get "Windows support" for my phone, I'll just install it! Symbian file formats are "quite" portable from one variant to another.

I wouldn't be so casual and flipant with your assumptions if I were you. It seems you want the WINC program so you can access symbian native files on the PC, well even if there is one tiny small change between the version of the agenda, for example, on the phone from which it originates and the version of Symbian OS from which your winsc program is made then there is a very very high chance that it simply won't even open on the PC. If this is what you are attempting to do you need to do some more research into if it'll actually work or not.

I think that if emulator can read a file, a program which uses emulator's DLL will be able to read the same file.
But I'm not sure that a, let's say, 9210 emulator is able to read a SE p800's contacts.cdb file, although I know moto a1000 emulator can read p800's contacts cdb file...

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

Fructose — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:34:29 +0100

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Re: Compiling for WINC target???

rbrunner — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:26:50 +0100

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WINC stuff should be ALREADY made of DLLs! Or not? The emulator is based on Windows DLLs rather than Symbian DLLs!

Well, yes, technically everything compiled for the emulator for running inside the emulator is a DLL. But this READALLENTRIES.EXE produced by the WINC target compilation really was a Windows .EXE.

For using an environment like Visual Basic you would need a Windows DLL that one the one side uses the Symbian WINC stuff and on the other side exports some procedures.

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:07:25 +0100

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I do not see that much of a difference here: As a WINC program running on your PC cannot directly access files on the phone, you will have to copy the file in question from the phone to the PC first, and only then can run your WINC program to read it. But I admit, 2 steps are better than 3 steps.

Mmmh... maybe notÂ
I can choose between...
copy file to PC
process it on PC

and

process file on phone
copy results to PC

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Actually I thought there was a way to write a pure-windows suource which uses symbian libraries, e.g. a Visual Basic source which connect to Symbian's API, but looks like it's not , isnt'it?

As I understand the whole thing, it should be possible to use Visual Basic as well, but you will have to put the WINC stuff into a DLL and then use that DLL from Visual Basic with the help of "Declare" statements. Never did such a DLL project myself however, please don't ask me about details...

WINC stuff should be ALREADY made of DLLs! Or not? The emulator is based on Windows DLLs rather than Symbian DLLs!
I must look deeper in this issue...Â

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

rbrunner — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:47:18 +0100

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ERROR: failed to find version information for LINK.EXE

Sorry, no idea about that one.

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Because running ONE program on PC is quite faster than running a program on phone, copying its output to the PC and then running ANOTHER program on the PC.

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Actually I thought there was a way to write a pure-windows suource which uses symbian libraries, e.g. a Visual Basic source which connect to Symbian's API, but looks like it's not , isnt'it?

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:01:29 +0100

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Back to Visual C++ compiling.... any idea about why the compilation process complains about some missing info?
ERROR: failed to find version information for LINK.EXE

(this is the result of makmake .\helloworld.mmp winc)

Same error using standard compilation method:Â
Any idea?

Code:

C:\Symbian\UIQ_70\examples\AppEngine\AgendaModel\ReadAllEntries>abld build winc urel
Â make -rÂ -f "\symbian\uiq_21\EPOC32\BUILD\SYMBIAN\UIQ_70\EXAMPLES\APPENGINE\AGENDAMODEL\READALLENTRIES\EXPORT.make" EXPORT VERBOSE=-s
Nothing to do
Â make -rÂ -f "\symbian\uiq_21\EPOC32\BUILD\SYMBIAN\UIQ_70\EXAMPLES\APPENGINE\AGENDAMODEL\READALLENTRIES\WINC.make" MAKEFILE VERBOSE=-s
perl -S makmake.pl -D \SYMBIAN\UIQ_70\EXAMPLES\APPENGINE\AGENDAMODEL\READALLENTRIES\READALLENTRIES WINC
ERROR: failed to find version information for LINK.EXE
make: *** [MAKEFILEREADALLENTRIES] Error 53

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:54:43 +0100

Quote from: rbrunner

Ok, let me have my try:
[...]

Man, you did a REAL GOOD JOB!!! THANKS!
For some strange reasons, those files are present in UIQ 2.0 SDK but not in UIQ 2.1 SDK...Â Or maybe I copied them there from somwehere else? My sdk folders are quite messed up with additional sources & docs I found around on internet...
I have an "additional" example folder:
C:\Symbian\UIQ_70\examplesÂ (besides C:\Symbian\UIQ_70\UIQExamples )
I'll try your method to build these sources.

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This WINC stuff is all good and well and interesting, but the situations where this might be useful rather limited. Basically all that WINC can do is reading and writing some Symbian files like agenda, contacts and such.

If I want to read the agenda, why not just write a normal Symbian program that lists the agenda entries in a list box on a view, compile this for the emulator, and that's it? Or using a little Symbian program to write agenda entries to a file with a structure that I like and then processing that file further with a Windows program?

Because running ONE program on PC is quite faster than running a program on phone, copying its output to the PC and then running ANOTHER program on the PC.Â

Actually I thought there was a way to write a pure-windows suource which uses symbian libraries, e.g. a Visual Basic source which connect to Symbian's API, but looks like it's not , isnt'it?Â Thus it would have been MUCH easier to develop windows programs which handle symbian data.Â

Back to Visual C++ compiling.... any idea about why the compilation process complains about some missing info?
ERROR: failed to find version information for LINK.EXE

(this is the result of makmake .\helloworld.mmp winc)

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

rbrunner — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:27:43 +0100

Ok, let me have my try:

I searched the UIQ SDK help file for "WINC". I found a page that tells that there are samples for this build target, e.g. the following one that reads a Symbian agenda file described here:

Code:

UIQ 2.1 SDK Â» Developer Library Â» C++ example projects Â» Application Engines example code Â» ReadAllEntries: read all Agenda entries

As SE in their wisdom chose *not* to include basic Symbian samples I went to my installation of a S60 SDK, because I knew from earlier ventures that Nokia does include them. And presto, there it was, in

Code:

\Examples\appengine\agendamodel\readallentries

From this it was easy: I just compiled the sample as I would compile any sample for the UIQ emulator, but giving WINC instead of WINS as the target:

Code:

bldmake bldfiles
abld build winc udeb

This produced a file READALLENTRIES.EXE somewhere deep in one of the directories of the UIQ SDK installation (I just used a file search to locate it.)

Next little hurdle was the fact that this sample wants to read the sample "agendata.dat" file that is delivered together with the sample not in the current directory and not as specified on the command line, but directly from the root of the (real Windows) C: drive, as a quick look into the source code showed:

Code:

TRAPD(error,(iModel->OpenL(_L("C:\\agendata.dat"),
KDefaultTimeForEvents,KDefaultTimeForAnnivs,1234)));

So just copying the agenda file to C:\ and running READALLENTRIES.EXE from a Windows command line did it.

I guess that if you already can compile for the WINS target on your PC, you can compile for WINC as well. I don't know however whether the Visual Studio express edition is enough. I am too lazy now to hunt down the answer to this question as well.

This WINC stuff is all good and well and interesting, but the situations where this might be useful rather limited. Basically all that WINC can do is reading and writing some Symbian files like agenda, contacts and such.

If I want to read the agenda, why not just write a normal Symbian program that lists the agenda entries in a list box on a view, compile this for the emulator, and that's it? Or using a little Symbian program to write agenda entries to a file with a structure that I like and then processing that file further with a Windows program?

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:44:09 +0100

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

vin2ktalks — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:39:47 +0100

The link which you've provided was from Symbian 7.0 SDK. I don't know whether this WINC is supported in the latest SDKs. By the way which SDK do you use?

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:22:30 +0100

Come on, guys: 5 replies, none is of any use!!
I know my english is not so good, but I don't know how else explain you that I need further informations than those in that page!!!
I never used MS Visual C++ before.
I have "2005 express edition", don't even know if it is suitable!
I can't find any makmake.exe program on my system.
A sample source would of course be useful.

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

sysctl-forum — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:06:38 +0100

vin means searching for "Building programs under WINC" within the page you linked.

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:50:18 +0100

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The solution is there in the link which you've provided, search with "Building programs under WINC".

the only result I get is the page itself!!! If I don't use quotes, I get dozens of useless results.
What did you find?

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

vin2ktalks — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:06:51 +0100

The solution is there in the link which you've provided, search with "Building programs under WINC".

Re: Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:58:01 +0100

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Nice to see that you got an expected information form the SDK Help.

this is not where I want to arrive, that's where I start from!
How can I do what is described in that document? How to configure MS Visual c++ to start compiling WINC applications? CAN "Express edition" actually compile for WINC? and so on...

Compiling for WINC target???

jumpjack — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:53:55 +0100