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Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

sysctl-forum — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:23:54 +0100

Quote from: alh

And want to give as a tip to everyone, regardless of nationality.. Never use those spellings if you want your recipient to take you seriously.

For the same reason you don't write a letter useing color crayons useing your left hand (if you are right handed), if you want to be taken seriously.

This is a good advice, but I'm afraid it will not have much effect being here. It needs to be put (along with other posting guidelines) in a big fat sticky in Symbian C++ sub-forum.

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

alh — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:24 +0100

Quote from: teijap

I really cannot believe my eyes when I see such racistic bull in a forum like this!!! You guys sound like bunch of bullies with no social skills at all. Not everybody is a senior or specialist in Symbian or have access to insider information. What is the use of this forum if you have to pass certain criterias to be able to post questions to it???

I was afraid of comments like this in this thread...

I can at least say that my posts has nothing to do about race, religion or knowledge in any specific area.

If I was forced to write my questions in hindi or hangul they would probably have crap grammar, and be barely understandable, but I would at least try to not make it worse by on purpouse invent my own spelling and abbreviations.

I don't think any one actually thinks that "are" is spelled "r", and "you" is spelled "u".

But I do think (based on my frequent contacts with people from this part of the word) its a very common misconseption in many asian countries, that "u" and "r" and "pls" are accepted ways to spell the word.

I just want to say it is not.

At least not yet, and I hope never, since it decreases the readability of the text a lot.

It is only accepted in very casual communication, then though usually aimed at only 1 or a few select friends, that already know what you most probably want to say.

And want to give as a tip to everyone, regardless of nationality.. Never use those spellings if you want your recipient to take you seriously.

For the same reason you don't write a letter useing color crayons useing your left hand (if you are right handed), if you want to be taken seriously.

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

fig7 — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:09:22 +0100

I think this thread raises some interesting points:

1. This is an English speaking forum and therefore most readers will expect people to post their questions or observations in good clear English. If they don't then they are less likely to get replies to their posts.

2. That non-European languages don't really translate into English as well as other European ones. The original poster was simply observing that you could make a guess at the nationality of the poster by how they have phrased their question. It's highly unlikely than a native English speaker would say "I have a doubt about CActiveScheduler"...

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

teijap — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:39:09 +0100

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

alh — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:34:29 +0100

Quote from: arizkohli

In the context of the post it is easy to see the poster meant 'We' when he wrote 'V'; I personally don't like it.

Its bad enough when people use the more conventional extremly casual spelling "u" for "you" and "r" for "are".
There is only one place where these are actually accepted, and that is in some (not all) real time text chats, and sms...
Its not even accepted in most casual internet forums I have been on.

Its even worse when you start inventing your own... specially if you base the transcription on your particular accent... Makes it very hard for the rest of the english speaking community.

Quote from: arizkohli

From an Indian point of view; a lot of Indian developers are relatively new to Symbian programming, they're excited and use these silly abbreviations to try and get extra friendly with the community.

I feel sad for them if they use them to get closer to the community.. It actually alienates them.

I know I'm lucky haveing a native language so closely related to english, but I think that is beside the point. (My native language is swedish)

Some might use it because they feel a bit unsecure with english, and think a more casual form might be more forgiving...

But also this is a mistake from a communication point of view. It will be even harder to get your meaning across if you hide what you want to say in home made abbreviations.

Specially if the readers of your post isn't themselfs english experts.

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

eric — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:16:55 +0100

According to the forum stats, there are more visitors coming from Europe than India. But it is true that this does not reflects in posts. Probably european developers have a little bit more experienced in Symbian and use more the forum search features before posting.

You also forget to mention the "u r" for "you are", etc...

Please, dear Indian friend, don't use these abbreviation, try to write plain english. This is a lot more user friendly ! (as far as I am concerned, I most of the time avoid to read SMS style posts).

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

ariz_m_ — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:24:45 +0100

FN Pro has no discussion boards; no one HANGS around there.

In the context of the post it is easy to see the poster meant 'We' when he wrote 'V'; I personally don't like it.

From an Indian point of view; a lot of Indian developers are relatively new to Symbian programming, they're excited and use these silly abbreviations to try and get extra friendly with the community.

AMK

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

sysctl-forum — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:47:02 +0100

I can't really figure why, but ALL Symbian programming forums (FN and NewLC included) attract a lot of such audience. I suppose this may be due to the fact that European/US developers hang out in FN PRO (no way I'm ever going to shell out that much!) and/or get formal training and paid support.

Re: How to identify the nationality of a poster

alh — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:06:40 +0100

This is not really a close identification, but If the poster uses abbreviations like "pls" or "ppl", they are most probably asian.

Never seen anyone use those constructs outside of casual sms, except from asian posters. (chinese, indian, korean...)

Can even get it in formal business mails sometimes, looks a bit funny.

And have even seen "pls" for "please" printed on a box from a korean company.

Saw a new one today too:
http://forum.newlc.com/index.php/topic,17375.0.html

Can't understand what he want to say with "v" there... Since he wrote it in both the title and the post, it doesn't look like a mistake...
Maybe someone indian can translate?

Maybe he means "we", but "v" is a very bad approximation for "we"... Maybe it works with an indian accent though.

How to identify the nationality of a poster

Fructose — Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:59:39 +0100